Another little tool available at basketball-reference.com is the player comparison finder. It allows you to compare say Lebron James and Michael Jordan at age 24, or maybe Kobe and MJ through the age of 28. I used it to compare Chris Bosh and Kevin Garnett.
There are some natural parallels between these two players that made the comparison relevant. Consider:
- Style: Both are tall, lanky power forwards who are more comfortable facing the basket than posting their defender up
- Circumstance: Garnett was a 19-year old drafted fifth overall; Bosh a 19-year old drafted fourth overall. However, almost instantly, Garnett became the star of the '95 draft class, while Bosh has struggled to get out from the shadow of the big three of '03 (LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade)
- Team Success: Through the first six years of their career, neither player has/had made it past the first round of the playoffs. However, Garnett had made the playoffs five times (his teams were 6 games above .500), while Bosh has made the playoffs just twice (64 games below .500)
Anyways, so there are some natural parallels. And I think the prevailing wisdom would be to say that there's no way Bosh compares to the player Garnett was or is. Do the numbers agree?
RAW STATS
- Health: Garnett appeared in 41 more games (almost 7 per season)
- Court time: Both averaged 37 minutes per game
- Scoring: Bosh (19.6) with a slight edge over Garnett (18.5)
- Rebounding: Both grabbed about 9 rebounds per game (incl. identical 2.7 off. rebs)
- Passing: Garnett (3.9) with a fairly significant edge over Bosh (2.2)
- Shooting: This is weird. Both shot 48.7% from the field. I mean, they both took over 6000 shots from the field, and they have the exact same field goal percentage.
- Free Throws: Bosh with a big edge in attempts (7 to 4) and slight edge in accuracy (79% vs 75%)
- Defence: Garnett wins in blocks (1.8 to 1.2) and steals (1.4 to 0.8)
ADVANCED STATS
- They are nearly identical rebounders (14.5% reb. rate for Bosh, 14.7% for Garnett)
- Bosh with a slight edge in turnover rate (11% vs 12%)
- Had the same usage rate (24%). It is a rough measure of how often the ball is in a player's hands
- Thanks mostly to free throws, Bosh has edge in True Shooting percentage (56% to 52%)
- Bosh a more refined offensive player (113 to 107 offensive rating)
- Garnett a more active defender (102 to 106 defensive rating)
- This produces a nearly identical Player Efficiency Rating (Bosh: 20.7; Garnett 20.9)
DISCUSSION
Given the reputations of Bosh and Garnett, this is a surprising result. I don't think many people would have thought that Chris Bosh was on a nearly identical career path as Kevin Garnett. Some would say that Garnett's team success over this time period trumps the closeness of the individual results, but we said before that regardless of a few decent regular seasons, Garnett did not have a deep playoff run on his resume. Regardless, I think you can boil down these results into one concise thought:
Chris Bosh knows how to score better than Kevin Garnett, however in all other aspects of the game, Garnett holds a distinct advantage.
Now, this makes it sound as if we're saying Garnett is a much better player, however scoring is a huge part of basketball (obviously, the most important aspect of the sport).
This becomes a very important point when you look at the next phases of Garnett's career.
WHAT COULD LIE AHEAD
Garnett's age 25 year was similar to his first six, but what followed were four amazing individual seasons (including an MVP award). He essentially took a leap from one of the top 15 players in the game to one of the top 5.
The key question is: If Garnett did it, and if his career path is so similar to Chris Bosh, does that mean Bosh is capable of a similar leap? Well.... it depends.
Garnett's production in his peak years (ages 26-29) increased across the board. Rebounding, assists, blocks, steals... everything hit career highs. However, the key to his mind-boggling PERs was that he became what Bosh already is offensively: efficient. Essentially, MVP Garnett was the combination of young Garnett and young Bosh.
So why is the answer "it depends." Well, this is just a personal opinion, but I think it's much easier for players to refine their scoring as they get older and improve that part of their game than it is for a player who is gifted offensively to suddenly become a great all-around player.
Let's not sell Bosh short here though. We're not talking about Danny Manning or Glen Rice or someone who is totally out of it defensively. As we said, Bosh and Garnett were fairly similar rebounders when they were younger. So he clearly has the athleticism to be a good rebounder and defender. But it's the other things that might be hard to add to his game. The nice passing, the off-ball defence, the poke away steals when he's playing post defence... it's those types of things that reflect a high basketball IQ, and I'm still not sure if Bosh has those ingredients which would be required to make a Garnett-like leap.
CONCLUSION
I think I was as guilty as the next person when it came to selling Chris Bosh short. This player comparison opened my eyes to how good he has been through the first six years of his career. One of my tried and tested ways of evaluating Bosh last season was saying "he is what he is." If you looked at his career numbers, it looked as if he had peaked or plateaued already as a NBA player. But this comparison shows that a player just like him took a leap at age 26, so maybe we shouldn't evaluate the modern NBA player so quickly. I think a big thing that's forgotten with modern NBA players is how old (or young) they really are. If Bosh played four years of college ball, he would be just a three-year NBA veteran right now.
Do I think Bosh will ever win an MVP award? No, probably not. But I think there's a whole lot of people who are ready to say goodbye to Bosh come 2010, and maybe they should re-think that position after reading this.
7 comments:
If anything, aren't there more examples of superstar scorers improving their defense than the other way around? Kobe, Pierce, MJ all spring to mind. Defense tends to improve with experience and maturity, no?
Great post. All the Bosh haters, and there are many, need to read it.
Hard to say yet. I only started to follow KG since 2001 so Im not very sure what he was like in his earlier years. But I think it warrants mentioning that they do play in different conferences for the majority of their careers thus far (Garnett's Minny team West vs. Bosh's Toronto East) and the level of competition especially at the PF position is far more intense in the West (Dirk, Duncan, Amare, etc)
Overall I have to give KG the advantage. What he has achieved in this league, few can match (dpoy, MVP, all-star MVP, 12-all stars) and given the league's "admiration" for Kobe and Lebron its hard to see Bosh winning any major individual awards any time soon...
Great statistical comparison, but I think the main point that isn't discussed here enough is how good KG is on defense. Kelly Dwyer recently named him the best defensive player of the decade and I'd have to agree.
Yeah, Garnett had an edge in defensive rating, steals, and blocks, but that doesn't even begin to tell the story. You touched on it by mentioning basketball IQ at the end, and I think that's the key issue. Garnett has an amazing feel for the game on the defensive end. He disrupts pick and rolls, he helps, he plays great man-to-man defense. You can't ask for a more dominant, intimidating defensive presence. I love Bosh and he could be a slightly better offensive player than KG, but he's miles away on the other end.
Chris,
Some of us have been saying for a long time now just how good Chris Bosh has been during his initial years in the NBA.
For the most part, though, this understanding has been based on our Basketball Acumen.
Thanks for quantifying our perception, in the way you have here.
The only minor quibble I would have is with those who cannot see how both Garnett and Bosh might also [actually?] qualify as two of the great Centers in NBA history, given how they've played the game during their initial years in Minnesota and Toronto, despite having a physique and skill-set which most would associate more with the Power Forward position.
One of the things which makes these two young men relatively unique, in my book, is their comparitive ability to The Great Bill Russell, given the "Centrifugal Force" nature of their individual games at the heart of ... aka, The Center ... of their respective team's performance.
Statistically different from one another in certain ways; effectively similar to one another in other ways and, perhaps, in overall effectiveness, at the heart of their team's play, as a dominant Big Man when deployed in the middle of the action.
Russell was the best defensive player, by far.
Garnett was/is the best all-around player, by far.
Bosh is the best offensive player, by far.
Good job on your part!
I love statistical analysis, but I disagree with one of your conclusions: Garnett DID make a big leap in his 8th season (as you point out), but he had also made a big leap in his 5th season as well that you ignore. Garnett's 5th season he averaged 23 points, 12 boards, 5 assists, slightly less than 2 blocks and 2 steals, and shot 50% from the field while finishing 2nd in the MVP vote. His year 6, while slightly lesser, was very similar.
In other words, this numerical comparison is close because Bosh started his career a bit more polished and a bit more NBA-ready than KG appeared to be, but by year 5 KG had already kicked it up to a notch that Bosh hasn't approached yet through his first 6 years before kicking it up another notch a few years later. It might have been a bit more telling to compare KG and Bosh year-by-year as opposed to 6-year aggregates, as the story is told a bit clearer when you look at their career arcs.
For me, it is clear that KG had WAY BETTER stats than Bosh in your comparison and even more if you consider the Defense stats, which is KG strength...
KG had 50% more blocks, 80% more steels, 7% more Def Rebounds (I know, this is not that much more). Adding the 83% more assists for me its clear that Bosh can't be compared to KG
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